Comments on: The Results Are in! — Experiment No. 2: David Before and After Kettlebells http://www.raptitude.com/2009/07/the-results-are-in-experiment-no-2-david-before-and-after-kettlebells/ The gentle art of sanity amidst civilization Wed, 08 Feb 2012 03:44:29 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Dany http://www.raptitude.com/2009/07/the-results-are-in-experiment-no-2-david-before-and-after-kettlebells/#comment-13720 Dany Fri, 11 Feb 2011 03:03:03 +0000 http://www.raptitude.com/?p=1710#comment-13720 Kettle bettle force you to engage your abdominals with each movement because they are unstable. David you look awesome and the results will get better and better. I like the lean, no bulk luck expecially for a woman like myself. I just started and I love it, less time for working out and great results. Not enough time is no longerr an excuese. Kettle bettle force you to engage your abdominals with each movement because they are unstable. David you look awesome and the results will get better and better. I like the lean, no bulk luck expecially for a woman like myself. I just started and I love it, less time for working out and great results. Not enough time is no longerr an excuese.

]]> By: Brad http://www.raptitude.com/2009/07/the-results-are-in-experiment-no-2-david-before-and-after-kettlebells/#comment-4533 Brad Wed, 29 Jul 2009 05:09:52 +0000 http://www.raptitude.com/?p=1710#comment-4533 Yeah, I get that. I wasn't trying to lump all of the "cardios" together, nor am I trying to provide discouragement towards "kettlebelling" (it's fun to make up words). I'm just saying how I see things. Keep up with your kettlebell ninja tricks. :) You should take some videos. Yeah, I get that. I wasn’t trying to lump all of the “cardios” together, nor am I trying to provide discouragement towards “kettlebelling” (it’s fun to make up words). I’m just saying how I see things.

Keep up with your kettlebell ninja tricks. :) You should take some videos.

]]> By: David Cain http://www.raptitude.com/2009/07/the-results-are-in-experiment-no-2-david-before-and-after-kettlebells/#comment-4529 David Cain Wed, 29 Jul 2009 01:09:22 +0000 http://www.raptitude.com/?p=1710#comment-4529 Brad, all I can say is <em>try it</em> and you'll know it's not the same thing. I'm no anatomist (is that a word?), but the heart almost feels like it pounds <em>harder</em>, not just faster. I think part of the misunderstanding is fact that 'cardio' training actually conditions much more than just the heart and vascular system, and different forms are better or worse at conditioning certain parts of the body. Cardiovascular conditioning itself is only part of the benefit provided by training, even though people will casually group all high-heart-rate activities together and call it 'cardio'. There is much more happening than just a high heart rate. There is a considerable difference between reaching 180bpm via treadmill and the same heart rate via kettlebell swings because KBs demand far more from the muscular system, respiratory system, skeletal system and connective tissues. The whole body, of which the cardiovascular system is an inseparable part, gets better at what it does. .-= David Cain´s last blog ..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Raptitudecom/~3/U4AkiLIbyA0/" rel="nofollow">The Essential Skill of “Want Management”</a> =-. Brad, all I can say is try it and you’ll know it’s not the same thing. I’m no anatomist (is that a word?), but the heart almost feels like it pounds harder, not just faster.

I think part of the misunderstanding is fact that ‘cardio’ training actually conditions much more than just the heart and vascular system, and different forms are better or worse at conditioning certain parts of the body. Cardiovascular conditioning itself is only part of the benefit provided by training, even though people will casually group all high-heart-rate activities together and call it ‘cardio’. There is much more happening than just a high heart rate.

There is a considerable difference between reaching 180bpm via treadmill and the same heart rate via kettlebell swings because KBs demand far more from the muscular system, respiratory system, skeletal system and connective tissues. The whole body, of which the cardiovascular system is an inseparable part, gets better at what it does.
.-= David Cain´s last blog ..The Essential Skill of “Want Management” =-.

]]> By: Ian http://www.raptitude.com/2009/07/the-results-are-in-experiment-no-2-david-before-and-after-kettlebells/#comment-4528 Ian Wed, 29 Jul 2009 00:43:22 +0000 http://www.raptitude.com/?p=1710#comment-4528 Elbow pain I'm not sure. Short term answer is try chin-ups (palms facing towards you). Make sure the bar has the same diameter all the way across. Have someone check your form (a person or maybe record yourself and post on DragonDoor). If that doesn't work see a doctor. Such an exercise should never hurt you, and is considered by many to be one of the most important exercises one can do. Variety days are fun, but always remember never to exhaust yourself. You can do lots of exercises (but I personally like to exercises that complement the main exercises, hence squats complement swings, TGU complement C+P, press-ups for chest strength, special swings and presses just to advance to a heavier KB sooner), but always keep the intensity low (mainly single reps or for BW stuff aim for 50% of max). Cool to hear you'll post pics, I wish I had, but I've seen pics of myself pre-ETK, and looking at myself having starting to press the 24kg KB, I look very different. Glad I can help, and look forward to hear how things are going. Elbow pain I’m not sure. Short term answer is try chin-ups (palms facing towards you). Make sure the bar has the same diameter all the way across. Have someone check your form (a person or maybe record yourself and post on DragonDoor). If that doesn’t work see a doctor. Such an exercise should never hurt you, and is considered by many to be one of the most important exercises one can do.

Variety days are fun, but always remember never to exhaust yourself. You can do lots of exercises (but I personally like to exercises that complement the main exercises, hence squats complement swings, TGU complement C+P, press-ups for chest strength, special swings and presses just to advance to a heavier KB sooner), but always keep the intensity low (mainly single reps or for BW stuff aim for 50% of max).

Cool to hear you’ll post pics, I wish I had, but I’ve seen pics of myself pre-ETK, and looking at myself having starting to press the 24kg KB, I look very different. Glad I can help, and look forward to hear how things are going.

]]> By: David http://www.raptitude.com/2009/07/the-results-are-in-experiment-no-2-david-before-and-after-kettlebells/#comment-4527 David Tue, 28 Jul 2009 21:07:32 +0000 http://www.raptitude.com/?p=1710#comment-4527 Ian -- Thanks Ian. I do intend to add pull-ups to the RoP when I get there, I'm just trying to figure out how to do pull-ups without elbow pain. My left elbow always hurts after I do them. I love the idea of the variety day, I'm excited to craft my own. I'll check out the lifts you mentioned. I will post an after pic in four weeks, then another after 8 weeks of the Rite of Passage. Thanks for all the info! Chris -- I don't know of any kettlebell exercises that don't work the core. Swings, TGUs, presses, snatches... they all require repeated and intense contraction of the abdominal muscles. It's really a different animal than the isolated body part training that is so common in gyms. No need for situps or crunches, you're 'crunching' all the time. Ian — Thanks Ian. I do intend to add pull-ups to the RoP when I get there, I’m just trying to figure out how to do pull-ups without elbow pain. My left elbow always hurts after I do them.

I love the idea of the variety day, I’m excited to craft my own. I’ll check out the lifts you mentioned.

I will post an after pic in four weeks, then another after 8 weeks of the Rite of Passage. Thanks for all the info!

Chris — I don’t know of any kettlebell exercises that don’t work the core. Swings, TGUs, presses, snatches… they all require repeated and intense contraction of the abdominal muscles. It’s really a different animal than the isolated body part training that is so common in gyms. No need for situps or crunches, you’re ‘crunching’ all the time.

]]> By: Chris Edgar | Purpose Power Coaching http://www.raptitude.com/2009/07/the-results-are-in-experiment-no-2-david-before-and-after-kettlebells/#comment-4526 Chris Edgar | Purpose Power Coaching Tue, 28 Jul 2009 19:42:24 +0000 http://www.raptitude.com/?p=1710#comment-4526 What kind of exercises do you do for your core with kettlebells? Just curious, in case I ever decide to drop the gym membership. What kind of exercises do you do for your core with kettlebells? Just curious, in case I ever decide to drop the gym membership.

]]> By: Ian http://www.raptitude.com/2009/07/the-results-are-in-experiment-no-2-david-before-and-after-kettlebells/#comment-4525 Ian Tue, 28 Jul 2009 19:19:17 +0000 http://www.raptitude.com/?p=1710#comment-4525 I know its late, but well done with all the work. You will start to see massive differences in bodily looks when you start the ROP, especially if you add pull-ups like Pavel recommends. Judging by what you look like, you will probably add a fair bit of muscle. You can increase or decrease such muscle mass by decreasing or increasing rest periods as Pavel discusses. I'd also really like to see before and after pics every month or so during ROP, you'll see big differences. Oh, and just my two cents, when you do the ROP, my recommended exercises on the Variety days are single reps of Goblet Squats, Hack Squats (ask on DragonDoor forums you can get tonnes of info - they work well with swings), TGU's (I do the three on Tuesday), and some clapping/normal press-ups (they add some chest strength and mass, I'm working up to 5x10 clapping press-ups as Pavel recommends in Beyond Bodybuilding, and I do them on Thursday). Finally, in the back of ETK, there is a page which discusses how to get stronger on ROP with variety day (Thursday) work, you can download PDF's after subscribing on the official site; http://enterthekettlebell.com/ They're really good I know its late, but well done with all the work. You will start to see massive differences in bodily looks when you start the ROP, especially if you add pull-ups like Pavel recommends. Judging by what you look like, you will probably add a fair bit of muscle. You can increase or decrease such muscle mass by decreasing or increasing rest periods as Pavel discusses.

I’d also really like to see before and after pics every month or so during ROP, you’ll see big differences.

Oh, and just my two cents, when you do the ROP, my recommended exercises on the Variety days are single reps of Goblet Squats, Hack Squats (ask on DragonDoor forums you can get tonnes of info – they work well with swings), TGU’s (I do the three on Tuesday), and some clapping/normal press-ups (they add some chest strength and mass, I’m working up to 5×10 clapping press-ups as Pavel recommends in Beyond Bodybuilding, and I do them on Thursday). Finally, in the back of ETK, there is a page which discusses how to get stronger on ROP with variety day (Thursday) work, you can download PDF’s after subscribing on the official site; http://enterthekettlebell.com/ They’re really good

]]> By: Brad http://www.raptitude.com/2009/07/the-results-are-in-experiment-no-2-david-before-and-after-kettlebells/#comment-4524 Brad Tue, 28 Jul 2009 14:13:44 +0000 http://www.raptitude.com/?p=1710#comment-4524 david - The issue isn't steady state versus interval or machine vs. free weight. I agree overall these choices make big differences. Just that for cardio, one means of achieving a heart rate profile is no different than another means. They provide the exact same workout to your heart. david – The issue isn’t steady state versus interval or machine vs. free weight. I agree overall these choices make big differences. Just that for cardio, one means of achieving a heart rate profile is no different than another means. They provide the exact same workout to your heart.

]]> By: David Cain http://www.raptitude.com/2009/07/the-results-are-in-experiment-no-2-david-before-and-after-kettlebells/#comment-4522 David Cain Tue, 28 Jul 2009 03:18:43 +0000 http://www.raptitude.com/?p=1710#comment-4522 Miles -- It's a secret until it's officially announced. Make sure you're <a href="http://feeds2.feedburner.com/raptitudecom" rel="nofollow">subscribed</a> so you can find out that morning. .-= David Cain´s last blog ..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Raptitudecom/~3/U4AkiLIbyA0/" rel="nofollow">The Essential Skill of “Want Management”</a> =-. Miles — It’s a secret until it’s officially announced. Make sure you’re subscribed so you can find out that morning.
.-= David Cain´s last blog ..The Essential Skill of “Want Management” =-.

]]> By: Miles http://www.raptitude.com/2009/07/the-results-are-in-experiment-no-2-david-before-and-after-kettlebells/#comment-4521 Miles Tue, 28 Jul 2009 02:26:30 +0000 http://www.raptitude.com/?p=1710#comment-4521 What is experiment 4? What is experiment 4?

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